Traveling with my Gold Guard Jazzmaster

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Re: Traveling with my Gold Guard Jazzmaster

Post by Uchison » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:45 pm

We have been traveling to Turkey on almost a monthly basis last 2 years without any problems so far. The question was just to be ahead of them as a custom guy tried to trow away my tremolo arm because it looked like a weapon :wtf:
So imagine my panic. That was the only time there ever was anything and 1 other time we had to book one extra seat for the guitar. So no problems

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Re: Traveling with my Gold Guard Jazzmaster

Post by thisisnickpaige » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:26 pm

Uchison wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:45 pm
We have been traveling to Turkey on almost a monthly basis last 2 years without any problems so far.
I must admit, after rereading the OP I was off base with my posts. From what i’ve seen not much has changed, at least in the US or EU. Can’t really speak for the UK or Turkey but three times, and like you said no problems.

I wonder how’s the implementation with CITES; isn’t it about a half a year/year old by now?
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Re: Traveling with my Gold Guard Jazzmaster

Post by Pacafeliz » Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:33 am

i wouldn't wanna travel to Turkey these days, at all... ???
i love delay SO much ...that i procrastinate all the time.

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Re: Traveling with my Gold Guard Jazzmaster

Post by mgeek » Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:26 am

thisisnickpaige wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:22 pm
That's really smart; it costs more to reserve your seat on some flights than it does for that guitar. I did the same thing the second time i went to Bangladesh, but with a bass. You're bringing your clothes anyways, utilize the padding! :D

Exactly! Probably best to give it a bit of a wipe down after the return trip I find ;)

I'd much prefer to be up on stage with one of my eye wateringly rare UK made sixties oddities purely for how they look, but the painful reality for us guitar nerds is that if you hopped in a time machine and handed Buddy Holly a ply chinese strat just before the master take of that'll be the day, people on the internet would still be talking about how you could hear the purity of the steel trem block, the scatterwound pickups and free, resonant tone of it's nitro paint ;D

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Re: Traveling with my Gold Guard Jazzmaster

Post by thisisnickpaige » Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:00 am

mgeek wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:26 am

I'd much prefer to be up on stage with one of my eye wateringly rare UK made sixties oddities .... if you handed Buddy Holly a ply chinese strat just before the master take of that'll be the day, people on the internet would still be talking
Oh yeah! It’s the age old phenomenon. ~sees favourite band live~ Man, he sounded so incredible! ~looks at board~ Wait, a Boss multieffect pedal?!
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Re: Traveling with my Gold Guard Jazzmaster

Post by Uchison » Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:38 am

I could try to settle with ordinary pedals and amps as long as the parts I hold in my hands are my Gold Guard JM and Bluechip pick

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Re: Traveling with my Gold Guard Jazzmaster

Post by eggwheat » Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:47 am

thisisnickpaige wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:08 pm
eggwheat wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:58 pm
Hah well yeh, my mates dad had been driving cars and band vans around without a hitch most of his adult life. Then he passed his test at 55 and actually got a licence.
haha sincerely?

(Sorry, we are derailing the thread.)
yeh 4 real...blew my mind at the time.

Just saying of course you can do anything you want..the risk might be low but if you get unlucky, the worst case is it gets destroyed. On my quests to bring in a few guitars this year I learnt a hell of a lot..I spoke to the specialist CITES office that the have at Heathrow UK then DHL, UPS etc and they confirmed that they have had vintage guitars destroyed this year..not just hearsay. They also said it is almost impossible to get a CITES permit retrospectively and get the guitar back after the fact even if you just didn't know..the whole thing is insane. Customs, in the UK at least, have more powers than the police.

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Re: Traveling with my Gold Guard Jazzmaster

Post by Uchison » Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:32 pm

I spoke to the specialist CITES office that the have at Heathrow UK then DHL, UPS etc and they confirmed that they have had vintage guitars destroyed this year..not just hearsay. They also said it is almost impossible to get a CITES permit retrospectively and get the guitar back after the fact even if you just didn't know..the whole thing is insane. Customs, in the UK at least, have more powers than the police.
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This is stupid and shocking

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Re: Traveling with my Gold Guard Jazzmaster

Post by Embenny » Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:24 pm

Uchison wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:38 am
I could try to settle with ordinary pedals and amps as long as the parts I hold in my hands are my Gold Guard JM and Bluechip pick
This is the first time I noticed someone mention blue chip on OSG. They're all the rage on AGF.
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Re: Traveling with my Gold Guard Jazzmaster

Post by MechaBulletBill » Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:50 am

eggwheat wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:47 am
I spoke to the specialist CITES office that the have at Heathrow UK then DHL, UPS etc and they confirmed that they have had vintage guitars destroyed this year..not just hearsay.
I'd have thought that, when that started happening, there'd have been some "it happened to me - CITES destroyed my guitar!" posts around the internet.
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once I got stopped by customs at Heathrow on way back into the UK and just had to prove I hadn’t just bought it in Switzerland
This is so much simpler now you can fire up the internet and have pics of you with the guitar that prove how long you've owned it. I don't know how you'd prove anything unless you carried old receipts everywhere.

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Re: Traveling with my Gold Guard Jazzmaster

Post by mcjt » Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:22 am

I recall a few years ago talking about rosewood, CITES and OSG members saying, "I've crossed borders with rosewood and I've never heard of anyone with a problem"... I guess no-one questions or disputes it now!
We can think it's stupid and shocking but it's been international law for the protection of threatened flora and fauna for many years.
We can complain about it, and complain that elephants, rhinos, the Amazon forest and so much more will soon be all extinct....
My father worked in Fish & Wildlife (the federal service usually involved with CITES implementation in North America ) for 30 years so I know some of these horror stories.
Though he saw more cases of snake skin, animal trophies, and the like.
I wouldn't cross an international border with a guitar with Brazilian rw, and only with Indian rw for which I can provide documentation. You almost want to get a guitar with a pau ferro fretboard and keep the invoice in the case!

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Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:32 pm
I spoke to the specialist CITES office that the have at Heathrow UK then DHL, UPS etc and they confirmed that they have had vintage guitars destroyed this year..not just hearsay. They also said it is almost impossible to get a CITES permit retrospectively and get the guitar back after the fact even if you just didn't know..the whole thing is insane. Customs, in the UK at least, have more powers than the police.
This is stupid and shocking
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Re: Traveling with my Gold Guard Jazzmaster

Post by cestlamort » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:51 am

I'd suggest getting a travel version simply for peace of mind.
Note that British Airways doesn't necessarily allow guitars in the overheads. (Even though that is the standard airline policy in the US).

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Re: Traveling with my Gold Guard Jazzmaster

Post by eggwheat » Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:36 am

MechaBulletBill wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:50 am
eggwheat wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:47 am
I spoke to the specialist CITES office that the have at Heathrow UK then DHL, UPS etc and they confirmed that they have had vintage guitars destroyed this year..not just hearsay.
I'd have thought that, when that started happening, there'd have been some "it happened to me - CITES destroyed my guitar!" posts around the internet.
Well I wouldn't rely on internet hearsay anyway..not for something as vital as this. When you have 10K or so of vintage guitars incoming you start to get serious with this shit :). So I read up on the law, spoke to the UK CITES office, the heathrow customs dept, DHL and UPS. They all relayed stories of woe that have happened this year. It's in the law that anything can be confiscated and destroyed without trial. and without any recourse. Customs can seriously fuck you up if they want.

I'm doing a CITES export at the moment..its not difficult but it takes time..that's the biggest pain. They said they have been inundated with applications for guitars since this new regulation took hold so it's slow to get processed.

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Re: Traveling with my Gold Guard Jazzmaster

Post by eggwheat » Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:41 am

mcjt wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:22 am
I recall a few years ago talking about rosewood, CITES and OSG members saying, "I've crossed borders with rosewood and I've never heard of anyone with a problem"... I guess no-one questions or disputes it now!
We can think it's stupid and shocking but it's been international law for the protection of threatened flora and fauna for many years.
We can complain about it, and complain that elephants, rhinos, the Amazon forest and so much more will soon be all extinct....
My father worked in Fish & Wildlife (the federal service usually involved with CITES implementation in North America ) for 30 years so I know some of these horror stories.
Though he saw more cases of snake skin, animal trophies, and the like.
I wouldn't cross an international border with a guitar with Brazilian rw, and only with Indian rw for which I can provide documentation. You almost want to get a guitar with a pau ferro fretboard and keep the invoice in the case!
Yeh well I was one of them for sure..it's existed since 1992 on Brazilian rosewood, but guitars never seemed to be affected..then the beginning of this year they changed it to all rosewood and that's when the shit hit the fan.

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Re: Traveling with my Gold Guard Jazzmaster

Post by Kinx » Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:23 pm

I always took the neck off, stuck both the neck and body in my hand luggage (with wrapped up headstock sticking out of super ugly nike sports bag) and never had a problem, I took two 65 mustangs from US to europe in one trip last year. However after doing some research and hearing few horror stories, I'm definitely getting a CITES certificate for my early 65 mustang (which according to first hand expertise of local luthiers may have brazilian board). Officers on Egyptian airport gave me some funny looks while examining my dissasembled maple necked tele, but other than that I've never had any issue.
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