1966 Custom color JM with no matching headstock

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1966 Custom color JM with no matching headstock

Post by slimdave » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:27 am

Hi.

There's a 1966 Olympic White Jazzmaster for sale in my country. All the 66 OW Jazzmaster I have seen have a matching OW headstock.This one does not have the matching headstock. Do you think it might be a refin? Or just an anomaly?

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Re: 1966 Custom color JM with no matching headstock

Post by eggwheat » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:36 am

In '66 it would be more likely to be refinish.

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Re: 1966 Custom color JM with no matching headstock

Post by Embenny » Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:40 am

eggwheat wrote:In '66 it would be more likely to be refinish.
Agreed. Pre-CBS, it was less common but there were a fair number made that way, including documented official photos and advertising. Post-CBS, I haven't personally seen any evidence of this practice. Not to say it's impossible, but it's not a known practice like it was pre-CBS.
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Re: 1966 Custom color JM with no matching headstock

Post by FrankRay » Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:57 am

Other possibilities including factory refin where only the body was sent; the neck replaced; one of the later 60s guitars without matching headstocks mis-dated.
Still, probably a refin. It's just that white is the easiest refin for guitars with tort pickguards.
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Re: 1966 Custom color JM with no matching headstock

Post by slimdave » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:59 am

Here's the ebay link:

http://www.ebay.es/itm/1966-Original-Vi ... OSw~oFXLL4~" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: 1966 Custom color JM with no matching headstock

Post by Pacafeliz » Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:00 am

I owned an original 1973 JM that was white (or blonde) with no matching headstock...
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Re: 1966 Custom color JM with no matching headstock

Post by MattK » Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:01 am

There's an outside chance it's blonde, for which the plain headstock is correct. If the body wood is ash it's not a refin.

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Re: 1966 Custom color JM with no matching headstock

Post by eggwheat » Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:40 am

I'd put a very large wager on that being a refinish. Thats solid white and also not a mark on it..when you compare the body to the rest of the guitar..neck plate etc..it doesn't compute. Also the cracks in paint suggest a nice thick refinish it is too.

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Re: 1966 Custom color JM with no matching headstock

Post by zip73 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:23 am

eggwheat wrote:I'd put a very large wager on that being a refinish. Thats solid white and also not a mark on it..when you compare the body to the rest of the guitar..neck plate etc..it doesn't compute. Also the cracks in paint suggest a nice thick refinish it is too.
Yep. Legit OW '66 w/matching headstock & commensurate wear on neck and body:

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Re: 1966 Custom color JM with no matching headstock

Post by slimdave » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:25 am

Guys, thanks for the replies. You're right, that finish seems too thick and unmolested for being original. The neck has wear, the body does not.

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Re: 1966 Custom color JM with no matching headstock

Post by boss302bass » Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:02 am

With big dollar asking prices like that there's a very good reason there's no pics of the neck pocket or other cavities on the auction.

I'd be more inclined to go for this one:

http://www.ebay.es/itm/Fender-Jazzmaste ... 100623.m-1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's 400 cheaper and appears to be genuine! AND 1963...

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Re: 1966 Custom color JM with no matching headstock

Post by kapepper » Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:21 am

boss302bass wrote:With big dollar asking prices like that there's a very good reason there's no pics of the neck pocket or other cavities on the auction.

I'd be more inclined to go for this one:

http://www.ebay.es/itm/Fender-Jazzmaste" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... 100623.m-1

It's 400 cheaper and appears to be genuine! AND 1963...
Nice one, but this is refin, correct?

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Re: 1966 Custom color JM with no matching headstock

Post by boss302bass » Sun Sep 10, 2017 2:33 am

kapepper wrote:
boss302bass wrote:With big dollar asking prices like that there's a very good reason there's no pics of the neck pocket or other cavities on the auction.

I'd be more inclined to go for this one:

http://www.ebay.es/itm/Fender-Jazzmaste" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... 100623.m-1

It's 400 cheaper and appears to be genuine! AND 1963...
Nice one, but this is refin, correct?
It appears to be sold, sadly. But it did look like an original finish.

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Re: 1966 Custom color JM with no matching headstock

Post by fendercollection » Sun Sep 10, 2017 4:52 pm

Even if the finish is real it is not unlikely that the neck was switched years ago. That is not all that uncommon in the vintage guitar business back in the day. Take an the "best" '66 neck and the "best" '66 body and place them together.

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Re: 1966 Custom color JM with no matching headstock

Post by boss302bass » Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:49 am

Yo Slim Dave - that 63 Burgundy Mist JM has been relisted. It looks genuine. There is a lot of parallel line-checking in the paint...it really does look like it could be the original finish.

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