The ARIA 1802t/1803t - EPIPHONE ET 270 DATABASE

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Re: The ARIA 1802t/1803t - EPIPHONE ET 270 DATABASE

Post by alcad » Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:48 pm

Thanks for the heads up.

I'll have to check the specs against what I've measured on the bridge itself, but this is looking like a good solution. Cheers!

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Re: The ARIA 1802t/1803t - EPIPHONE ET 270 DATABASE

Post by LVC » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:49 pm

I'd like to join the club... I've got a 1803t body and electronics but I'm missing the neck and the trem/bridge assembly.

I've tried to find both online but no luck so far. Has anybody by any chance seen either for sale online ?

If I can't find a neck, I guess I'll have to use a replacement. But the 25" scale is a tricky problem. Has anybody ever used a replacement neck with these guitars ? If you used a 25" neck, where did you find it ? If you used another scale length, how did you make it work ?

As for the trem, I've got a few ideas, but any help or advice is welcome.
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Re: The ARIA 1802t/1803t - EPIPHONE ET 270 DATABASE

Post by Mechanical Birds » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:18 pm

Good luck? I’ve literally never seen a trem or bridge for sale before. Seen a couple parted out bare bodies and necks, but never hardware or pickups which is crazy considering how cheap these things were forever and the ability to see what insane people did to actual Fenders of the era.

I hope you get lucky and find the parts. I can’t even remember what the routing looks like for the Trem. If you were to end up settling on a different trem system I’d imagine you could install the bridge an extra .5” back and be set as far as scale goes. There are posters here who could probably accommodate your needs as well if you decide to just have a neck made.

Never played a 25” scale before sounds weird, though I’d honestly probably not notice any difference at all.

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Re: The ARIA 1802t/1803t - EPIPHONE ET 270 DATABASE

Post by Mechanical Birds » Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:16 am

Talking about trading for an 1802-T that of course is missing the trem bar. This thread is like the most comprehensive place for info on those guitars and FFS even in here I can’t find an outlet to get one.

Really wish I could just replace the collet with one from one of the Squier Offset trems I have piled up :/

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Post by Mechanical Birds » Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:19 am

Anyone know if this trem system has an actual name? I’m thinking Hagstom called their thing the Tremar, Kahler is a Kahler, Bigsby, etc. this thing was used on a bunch of different guitars and (I think so anyway) across a few different manufacturers, so it seems like it has to have a name, right?

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Re: The ARIA 1802t/1803t - EPIPHONE ET 270 DATABASE

Post by LVC » Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:37 pm

Mechanical Birds wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:16 am
Talking about trading for an 1802-T that of course is missing the trem bar. This thread is like the most comprehensive place for info on those guitars and FFS even in here I can’t find an outlet to get one.
They seem to be back in stock at EZPZ on eBay:
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Mechanical Birds wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:19 am
Anyone know if this trem system has an actual name? I’m thinking Hagstom called their thing the Tremar, Kahler is a Kahler, Bigsby, etc. this thing was used on a bunch of different guitars and (I think so anyway) across a few different manufacturers, so it seems like it has to have a name, right?
I don't think they ever had an official name. After all, model names such as Synchronized Tremolo, Dynamic Vibrato, Vibrola, Vibramute, Tremola and so on are a marketing trick to increase brand awareness. These guitars, on the other hand, were manufactured by Matsumoku to be sold on several continents under a plethora of brands ― Aria, Epiphone, Conrad, Electra and so on ― so, from that point of view, it wouldn't have made much sense to try and establish a name specially for the trem.

Also, while these guitars are fairly common as vintage guitars go, I got a feeling they were never quite ubiquitous enough for their trem to acquire an unofficial nickname. But, as you pointed out, this thread is the closest thing to a definitive knowledge base about these guitars you can find online ― at least in English ― so why not give this model a nickname here and now and wait for it to catch on ?
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Re: The ARIA 1802t/1803t - EPIPHONE ET 270 DATABASE

Post by Mechanical Birds » Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:18 am

That’s a good idea and holy crap thank you for the link on the arm! Looks like they sell trem covers too and that’s awesome. I can’t afford to buy one right now so hopefully the 5 it says they have stay put for a little while till I can drop $30.

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Post by LVC » Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:44 pm

I think they have the trem arms custom machined, so there's probably more where these come from. You could contact them if you're worried they might run out of stock.

As for me, I caved in to GAS and bought Pat's 1803T :w00t: so I'm not sure whether I'll go on with my own 1803T (re)build project or just sell on my parts. In either case I'll post my notes here hoping they might be helpful to someone.

Oh, and here's a link that should be of interest to Matsumoku guitar enthusiasts... The website has a ton of information on many models, scans of old catalogues and even its own message board: http://www.matsumoku.org/
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Re: The ARIA 1802t/1803t - EPIPHONE ET 270 DATABASE

Post by Pacafeliz » Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:53 pm

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i love delay SO much ...that i procrastinate all the time.

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