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Re: The Synth Thread...

Post by mackerelmint » Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:38 pm

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As much as I just want Behringer to release their OB synth, their new Korg MS-20 clone looks really interesting!

https://youtu.be/A-tyaZgx3Ao

Between that and the new Roland JU-06a? Gas is brewing but also *shrug*
I dunno, you can already get a Korg clone of that Korg, so really I wish they'd prioritize that OB more. Considering how many other clones they've burped up over the last year or so.
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Re: The Synth Thread...

Post by StevenO » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:30 pm

mackerelmint wrote:
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StevenO wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:48 am
As much as I just want Behringer to release their OB synth, their new Korg MS-20 clone looks really interesting!

https://youtu.be/A-tyaZgx3Ao

Between that and the new Roland JU-06a? Gas is brewing but also *shrug*
I dunno, you can already get a Korg clone of that Korg, so really I wish they'd prioritize that OB more. Considering how many other clones they've burped up over the last year or so.
The Korg is meh, and the Behringer will most likely be better and in a better form factor.

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Post by mackerelmint » Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:23 pm

Well, yeah, the form factor's better. I dunno if they can fix the meh, though, the MS-20 is all kinds of meh if you ask me. Cloning it can't help much.
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Post by StevenO » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:00 pm

I like them. I think they're surprisingly musical in a mix, but on their own they don't necessarily have that "thing" to them that say a Model D does.

Air uses the MS-20 a fair bit for those vocal/vowel-like lines, similar to Daft Punk, and Arcade Fire (not that i'm a huge fan) uses them a lot and live the one guy uses two of them and it sounds fantastic. So... *shrug*

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Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:54 pm

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You guys have much cooler rigs than me!

Pulled these out of the closet this weekend. A friend asked me to come up with a "Aldo Nova/1984"/EV150/Holy Diver" sort of intro for one of his songs so I spent the better part of yesterday morning trying to come up with something. I'm getting somewhere but it's not quite there yet. On my desk I have the rig run through an Echo Park and an Alesis Ineko.

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Post by StevenO » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:27 am

I'd love to hear how the two play together.

I had a hard time getting my Moog Prodigy and 106 playing together, mostly as they have completely 'tonal texture' (for lack of a better phrase) to them. But my Behringer Model D works super nicely with the 106, for some reason.

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Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:02 am

I would think that the completely different sound textures would play really nicely together. I'd probably use one for arpeggios/sequences and the other for melody.
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Post by redchapterjubilee » Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:10 am

For this project I was using the Grandmother really straight as a bass/left hand accompaniment to the 106 playing pads. Once I get a basic structure for this intro then I'll use the Grandmother to make all kinds of crazy sounds. I've owned numerous analogs over the last 20 years and can program a subtractive synthesizer fairly well but I confess I've barely scratched the surface with the patch points on the Grandmother. I've never owned or used a modular before so it's somewhat byzantine to me.

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Post by Zork » Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:35 am

mackerelmint wrote:
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I dunno if they can fix the meh, though, the MS-20 is all kinds of meh if you ask me. Cloning it can't help much.
I love the MS-20 ever since Mr. Oizos Analog Worms Attack.

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Re: The Synth Thread...

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:49 pm

How To Hook Up Guitar Pedals To Synths

I was looking for something else this morning, and found this Sound On Sound article. They also suggest that running a re-amp box between the synth and the guitar pedals might work too.
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Re: The Synth Thread...

Post by guitarsammy » Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:10 pm

No love in here for the DeepMind?

I got a DM12 recently and am over the moon with it. Despite what some purists say, it can get really close to a Juno (and I say this as a former Juno 60 owner), but with the advantage of more voices, a more flexible second oscillator, a much more powerful arpeggiator and almost infinitely more modulation capabilities. There’s no way I’d buy a Juno again now.

In Unison-2 mode, with some oscillator drift, it can sound very, very close to a 6-voice Jupiter 8.

Stacking even more voices and again using some oscillator drift can get some very convincing MS-like bass sounds.

And with the huge range of really high quality onboard digital FX, it can act a lot like a 90s digital Roland, but with far more power to modulate the FX and get into crazy evolving pad territory.

I adore old Rolands, and the DM is right up my street.

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Post by mackerelmint » Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:24 pm

It's a cool synth, the deepmind. Some of the sounds I've heard from it are nothing short of incredible at any price point.

For me, though, the prospect of menu diving on an analog synth is a turnoff. Not that I care for it on digital synths, either, but considering how much of that synth needs the menu to get to, I wonder if knob per function sensibility isn't dead at this point and only a feature for clones.
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Post by Telliot » Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:46 pm

mackerelmint wrote:
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For me, though, the prospect of menu diving on an analog synth is a turnoff.
A thousand times, this. It's exactly why I narrowed my search down to the Prophet-6 and OB-6: one knob per function. I couldn't believe how slim the owner's manual for the P6 is! It's literally, "Here are a bunch of buttons and knobs and here's what they do. START PUSHING AND TURNING!!!" I haven't the time or stomach for becoming a sound designer, or getting into the nuts and bolts of what a synthesizer does through number values, I just want to turn a few knobs and hit RECORD.

Related: This may also be why I'm a bit turned off to modular synths.
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Post by guitarsammy » Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:34 pm

I hate menu diving too. I had an Alpha Juno and a JX-3P in the past, without programmers, and have had a few later digital synths with complicated menu driven interfaces. All of these were sold because of the lack of programmability.

For these reasons, I was deeply sceptical on the DeepMind, but kept reading online that the interface is so good, it isn’t a problem. So I took a gamble.

And it’s absolutely fine. It’s possible to run it as a Juno clone and basically once it’s set up, never use the menus except to change patches.

However, if you run it as a more powerful, “beyond Juno” synth (and you really should), the menus are so well thought-out and easily accessible from the right place on the panel, it becomes second nature. Genuinely so, and within a couple of hours’ use I wasn’t thinking about it at all.

It’s so “deep”, with so many controls (and all the FX algorithms), I don’t think they could realistically ever have had one knob per function.

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Post by Telliot » Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:48 pm

That's fair enough, and I don't begrudge anyone who has the patience to learn the ins and out of their synth and really get into it. I was only speaking for myself and my own shortcomings.
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