Kings of Leon (frauds?)

[saxjag]

I think your take sounds very parochial but at the same time not liking something is fine if you think it's not good but I can't understand not liking stuff because there's no room in it for you.

Our perception at the time was that there was no room in disco for musicians, period. Entire backing tracks were constructed of synthesized, programmed beats & sampled snippets. We couldn't hear anything in the genre that required an instrumentalist's skillset -- individual style, emotional expression, sensitivity to what the other players are doing, reinterpretation of melody & rhythm, etc.

Not saying that disco back in the day wasn't entertaining or creative -- just saying that the creative part seemed to be entirely in the realm of record producers & recording engineers, so the players I ran with couldn't relate to it. Artistically, what we respected was instrumental style & expression, & creating spontaneous moments of musical interplay with other band members. Disco held no more interest for us than, say, synchronized swimming or topiary gardening.

[Larry Mal]

Luckily that passed, and a whole new age of music with deep personal connections and interplay between highly skilled and dedicated musicians came about again.

[Jaguar018]

Luckily that passed, and a whole new age of music with deep personal connections and interplay between highly skilled and dedicated musicians came about again.

But I thought you didn't like Grunge, Larry?

[mediocreplayer]

Luckily that passed, and a whole new age of music with deep personal connections and interplay between highly skilled and dedicated musicians came about again.

But I thought you didn't like Grunge, Larry?

I think he meant 80s hair metal.

[Grey]

I think your take sounds very parochial but at the same time not liking something is fine if you think it's not good but I can't understand not liking stuff because there's no room in it for you.

Our perception at the time was that there was no room in disco for musicians, period. Entire backing tracks were constructed of synthesized, programmed beats & sampled snippets. We couldn't hear anything in the genre that required an instrumentalist's skillset -- individual style, emotional expression, sensitivity to what the other players are doing, reinterpretation of melody & rhythm, etc.

Not saying that disco back in the day wasn't entertaining or creative -- just saying that the creative part seemed to be entirely in the realm of record producers & recording engineers, so the players I ran with couldn't relate to it. Artistically, what we respected was instrumental style & expression, & creating spontaneous moments of musical interplay with other band members. Disco held no more interest for us than, say, synchronized swimming or topiary gardening.

Disco didn't kill Rock, and I don't recall a mass epidemic of Jazz/Blues musicians offing themselves, stricken with grief that they were unable to find work. I'm guessing they all just kept doing their thing. Some genres simply don't require traditional instrumentalists, and for the most part the people listening to the music arn't really concerned with how it was made only what it sounds like when it's coming out their headphones or their speakers. Is the person organizing those "synthesized, programmed beats & sampled snippets" not a musician in their own right? You're talking about Disco from the perspective of a traditionalist, I think shadowplay was just talking about the music.

[saxjag]

You're talking about Disco from the perspective of a traditionalist...

No, man. Talking about disco from the perspective of a player. Sure, I've dicked around with musique concrete, found sound, synthesis, midi, ambient sound, studio tricks of all kinds. Got no problem with technology. I even like some forms of programmed music: videogame sound, player piano, calliope. I love my little Casio PT-30, OK? All I said is that the musicians I knew -- including jazzers, rockers, folkies, composers, singer-songwriters, session players, & street musicians, not to mention recording engineers, radio broadcasters, & record-store employees -- could discern no musicianship at the heart of disco. Just like the way you, maybe, don't get why anybody would bother to cook broccoli.

I'm fucking tired of this subject. Can't we diss bluegrass for a change?

[Singlebladepickup]

I like the night life, I like to boogie

[ifallalot]

So they're using a Teleprompter like every other sector? I don't see a problem with it

[s_mcsleazy]

i am going to be honest. after summer a few years ago. if i ever hear sex on fire again, i think i will beat the listener across the face with their own sense of smugness. my friends brother once had it on repeat full blast for 3 straight hours.

as for the whole using a teleprompter thing. dont they play most those songs every night? if so i assume some of your own lyrics would stick in there.

[Pepe Silvia]

One of my regrets is not seeing them when they still played clubs in the USA, back when they were the Southern Strokes, before they cut their hair, before they became public douches, before their lyrics stopped being unintelligible

[Z*Z*Z]

This is one funny thread

[UlricvonCatalyst]

if i ever hear sex on fire again, i think i will beat the listener across the face with their own sense of smugness.

Sounds like a plan, except that in this instance the listener would be you.

Re. teleprompters in stadium rawk: who cares?

[FrankRay]

rawk: who cares?

Fixed

[eggwheat]

I supposes they are slightly fraudulent in that they were a country band until Angelo Petraglia an A&R/songwriter who spotted them, changed their image and wrote their songs for them

[Jaguar018]

I supposes they are slightly fraudulent in that they were a country band until Angelo Petraglia an A&R/songwriter who spotted them, changed their image and wrote their songs for them

Is it just me, or does every single person/band that signs up for the Svengali deal like this give you the creeps?