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Re: your effects setup?

Post by Sid Nitzerglobin » Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:53 pm

I ran into a Studio Comp and a True-Path barely used for a song last night while I was picking up stuff to make cables and the Bellows came in this morning so I went ahead and finished wiring up the first incarnation of the biamp bass board:
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Routing is:
bass > PolyTune 2 Noir > M76 Studio Compressor > Ditto > True-Path ABY >
A) Bellows > Monarch > Little Lehle tip loop {Data Corrupter > Randy's Revenge} > OB1-500
B) Classic Bass Preamp > MF Boost > Little Lehle ring loop {Julia > ARP-87} > PF-50T

I haven't had enough time screwing around w/ it to have a solid appraisal, but here are some initial impressions:
The Studio Compressor seems to work very well and the series compression isn't bothering me as much as it has previous times I've tried it. On 4:1 dialed for ~ 7db it's very useful and natural sounding to me, if a bit clinical. The attack and release controls feel very easy to use w/ an effective range. It does kind of remind me of the 1176s I've used in its design and feel overall. While it's not dead silent, it hasn't struck me as particularly noisy until I've dialed the makeup gain way higher than I think would ever be practical for me. The LED metering is a pretty nice and very useful feature.

Both drive sections seem to work really well, by themselves or together so far. I'm not quite there yet but it sounding great regardless. The Bellows seems like a great bass fuzz so far, seems like a sure keeper for me. I definitely need to spend more time twisting the knobs, but I'm thinking it may be a bit fat and loose for what I want on the OB1. At some point I'm gonna try the BB Preamp in place of either the Bellows or the Monarch and see if a bit more hard edge/grind-y boost/drive is the ticket.

I'm really loving the Ampeg drive loop, it works out great dialing the PF50T for saturated clean, the Classic Preamp to push it to edge of breakup w/ a bit more mids and w/ the expression pedal hooked up and the boost switch on, the MF Boost is working out awesomely pushing the PF50T into a fat mild to edge of meltdown OD. The DVP4/Expressionator setup feels very smooth, precise, and natural for dialing its gain. It boosts output significantly in the process and it gets a little noisy about the last 15% or so of the gain range, but up to there it delivers a very fat and tasty grind. I may try swapping order on the preamp and MF Boost at some point too for more consistent output levels across the boost's gain range and better tone shaping.

Unfortunately I'm hitting some sort of a feedback loop issue w/ the Little Lehle that I've yet to be able to diagnose. I've got a pretty annoying level of constant low frequency feedback through the disengaged amp when going "A or B". I've used the Little Lehle in this type of biamp setup before w/o having this problem, next step is trying one of the other ABYs I spose. Would be a bummer to lose the invidually switchable buffers on the True-Path though and it seems like it's built like a tank and doing its job really well otherwise.

The Julia and the ARP-87 seem like a winning combination for PF-50T. I'll probably continue to shuffle some stuff around on the OB1's loop.

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Re: your effects setup?

Post by johnnysomersett » Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:15 pm

I have things pretty simple now. One fuzz - scrambler clone (I have a real one in a box in the drawer but I've decided to retire it from gigging), a boost for overdrive. Delay and trem in the middle for occasional colour and the bonus DD-6 tucked out of the way at the end set to the 'hold' function purely for that Melt Banana stutter thing.

Everything has been meticulously measured out for optimum performance live. The trem & delay are perfectly close together as they go on and off together 99% of the time, boost has a bit of extra space to reduce on mis-hits, DD-6 out of the way. Quality cabling, decent power supply...fully gig-proof.

Home-made ply board, spray painted black.

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Also went full-on OCD with the wiring:

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Re: your effects setup?

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:38 pm

Love it! Nothing like a homemade board with really clean wiring and cabling :? :? :-*
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Re: your effects setup?

Post by MechaBulletBill » Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:03 am

Fredric Scrambled Brains! Good choice.

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Re: your effects setup?

Post by johnnysomersett » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:23 am

MechaBulletBill wrote:
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Fredric Scrambled Brains! Good choice.
Yeah, I had it before I got a real one and it's bang-on accurate really.
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Re: your effects setup?

Post by Sid Nitzerglobin » Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:14 am

Threw this one together last night to screw around w/ the Mystery Brain that came in much earlier (and sparklier) than I was expecting:
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guitar > Fatboost > Xenogama [loop 1{Mystery Brain} > loop 2 { Vintage Rat > Modele B } > loop 3 { Carbon Copy > Monument > Boing } ] > Buffered Splitter > amp(s)

I'll be reshuffling this one a bit still (the FatBoost feels pretty redundant, I may replace the Carbon Copy and/or Boing w/ something else fun, and potentially replace the ISO5 w/ an Ojai or DC5 and downsizing the board a step) but damn this is sounding pretty great w/ the Filtertron type pickup guitars so far ;D I'm particularly loving the Brain > Rat > Modele B, seems to be a really flexible combination of drive pedals.

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Re: your effects setup?

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Re: your effects setup?

Post by StevenO » Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:32 am

Jonas wins.

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Re: your effects setup?

Post by johnnysomersett » Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:03 pm

StevenO wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:32 am
Jonas wins.
Yep, indeed he does. I tried to convert mine to an all-Boss board but couldn't get close enough to the Scrambler sound with a Hyper Fuzz so gave up.
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Re: your effects setup?

Post by Grey » Sat Dec 02, 2017 3:53 pm

Fuzz.

Hyper Fuzz.

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Re: your effects setup?

Post by mynameisjonas » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:27 am

johnnysomersett wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:03 pm
StevenO wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:32 am
Jonas wins.
Yep, indeed he does. I tried to convert mine to an all-Boss board but couldn't get close enough to the Scrambler sound with a Hyper Fuzz so gave up.
Hehe, thanks guys.

I feel I have to point out that most of my Boss pedals have gone through modifications to get them sounding the way I want. I absolutely love the form factor, but sadly, not many of their pedals sound great out of the box. I Think the only two pedals I haven't modified are the TU-2 and the DM-2w.

The FZ-2 took just a couple of cap changes to turn from ok to great (I think I have a thread about it here somewhere). It now basically sounds like a Superfuzz. More string separation, and a more open sound in general.

The FZ-3 is probably the one I've done the most severe mods to. In stock form, it has really low output, it's muffled and farty and completely disappears in a mix. I had one many years ago and I hated it. I actually went back to the shop to swap it for another unit because I thought it was broken (it wasn't). But this time around I bought it with the intent of modding it. The circuit is basically a Fuzz Face with an additional gain stage and a tone control, so I knew it had to be possible to make it sound good. I removed a couple of caps that filtered out high end, and upped the values of a few other caps to boost the low end, and then I removed the Tone circuit altogether and turned it into a gate control (wired in a similar way to the Gate control on a Zvex Fuzz Factory). It's now super loud, and it cuts through like a knife.

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Re: your effects setup?

Post by StevenO » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:46 am

Damn, those sound like great mods! ....Sound clips? :whistle:


I don't really use pedals anymore, but for a little while I was trying to do an all BOSS board for my guitar and synth setup but quickly abandoned it for no good reason. Todd, I think, has a great all BOSS setup going right now.

I still want a Boss RV-6, even though it's super close to the TC Hall of Fame reverb I have been using.

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Re: your effects setup?

Post by CHILDISHGAMBINO » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:57 am

I use this with my Squier Bass VI. The Gnomeratron has been sold and the board is torn down right now waiting for new Christmas pedals. Digitech Obscura, Dubrek Sonik, and Pickletech Megaberkatron incoming. The Zoom is on the floor beside my board with an RC-30 looper.

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Re: your effects setup?

Post by CHILDISHGAMBINO » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:01 pm

Sid Nitzerglobin wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:53 pm
I ran into a Studio Comp and a True-Path barely used for a song last night while I was picking up stuff to make cables and the Bellows came in this morning so I went ahead and finished wiring up the first incarnation of the biamp bass board:
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Routing is:
bass > PolyTune 2 Noir > M76 Studio Compressor > Ditto > True-Path ABY >
A) Bellows > Monarch > Little Lehle tip loop {Data Corrupter > Randy's Revenge} > OB1-500
B) Classic Bass Preamp > MF Boost > Little Lehle ring loop {Julia > ARP-87} > PF-50T

I haven't had enough time screwing around w/ it to have a solid appraisal, but here are some initial impressions:
The Studio Compressor seems to work very well and the series compression isn't bothering me as much as it has previous times I've tried it. On 4:1 dialed for ~ 7db it's very useful and natural sounding to me, if a bit clinical. The attack and release controls feel very easy to use w/ an effective range. It does kind of remind me of the 1176s I've used in its design and feel overall. While it's not dead silent, it hasn't struck me as particularly noisy until I've dialed the makeup gain way higher than I think would ever be practical for me. The LED metering is a pretty nice and very useful feature.

Both drive sections seem to work really well, by themselves or together so far. I'm not quite there yet but it sounding great regardless. The Bellows seems like a great bass fuzz so far, seems like a sure keeper for me. I definitely need to spend more time twisting the knobs, but I'm thinking it may be a bit fat and loose for what I want on the OB1. At some point I'm gonna try the BB Preamp in place of either the Bellows or the Monarch and see if a bit more hard edge/grind-y boost/drive is the ticket.

I'm really loving the Ampeg drive loop, it works out great dialing the PF50T for saturated clean, the Classic Preamp to push it to edge of breakup w/ a bit more mids and w/ the expression pedal hooked up and the boost switch on, the MF Boost is working out awesomely pushing the PF50T into a fat mild to edge of meltdown OD. The DVP4/Expressionator setup feels very smooth, precise, and natural for dialing its gain. It boosts output significantly in the process and it gets a little noisy about the last 15% or so of the gain range, but up to there it delivers a very fat and tasty grind. I may try swapping order on the preamp and MF Boost at some point too for more consistent output levels across the boost's gain range and better tone shaping.

Unfortunately I'm hitting some sort of a feedback loop issue w/ the Little Lehle that I've yet to be able to diagnose. I've got a pretty annoying level of constant low frequency feedback through the disengaged amp when going "A or B". I've used the Little Lehle in this type of biamp setup before w/o having this problem, next step is trying one of the other ABYs I spose. Would be a bummer to lose the invidually switchable buffers on the True-Path though and it seems like it's built like a tank and doing its job really well otherwise.

The Julia and the ARP-87 seem like a winning combination for PF-50T. I'll probably continue to shuffle some stuff around on the OB1's loop.
Beautiful board!

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Re: your effects setup?

Post by Sid Nitzerglobin » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:49 am

CHILDISHGAMBINO wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:01 pm
Beautiful board!
Thanks man!

I wound up reshuffling this one a bit w/ an Empress Compressor replacing the MXR box, a couple of OneControl single bypass loop boxes replacing the Little Lehle (which thankfully has seemed to fix the LF feedback issue I was experiencing), and swapping in the BB Preamp, Tractor Beam and MXR M108 replacing the Monarch, Data Corrupter, and Randy's Revenge on the Orange "side" of the board. Here's the pretty much current setup of that board (I wound up adding a pedal riser doohicky under the ARP-87 so the tap was a bit easier to access):
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It's going like so :
instrument > PolyTune 2 Noir > Compressor > Ditto > True-Path ABY-ST
A > MF Boost > Classic Bass Preamp > left 1Loop Box [ Julia > ARP-87 ] > Mute Box > PF-50T
B > Bellows > BB Preamp > right 1Loop Box [ Tractor Beam ] > M--108 Ten Band EQ > OB11--500

I think overall this one is a huge winner for me w/ any of the bass type instruments I've got. Both drive chains/amps seem to provide a great range of clean and driven sounds that I really love either individually or together and the modulation effects are really great and a blast to mess around with.
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