Is the RAT this forum's most popular dirt pedal?

[Abadacus]

Is the "You Dirty Rat" any good? I seems to be the sound I'm looking for, but for all the great things I've heard about the Rat 2, Turbo, etc. this one seems to be overlooked. Anyone used it? I already am using a Cusack Screamer for a tubescreamer, but, as wonderful as it is, tubescreamers are a little weak and generic for my taste.

[frippy]

Do the "Proco Vintage Rat" pedals made between 1991-2005 still have the lm308 chip?

Not all do. ProCo stopped using the LM308 in any of their Rats (Vintage Rat, Rat II, Turbo Rat) at the same time, although some Duecetone Rats had one LM308 in them.

[Puke+Cry]

Is the "You Dirty Rat" any good? I seems to be the sound I'm looking for, but for all the great things I've heard about the Rat 2, Turbo, etc. this one seems to be overlooked. Anyone used it? I already am using a Cusack Screamer for a tubescreamer, but, as wonderful as it is, tubescreamers are a little weak and generic for my taste.

its just sharp overdrive. i've never tried it though

[frippy]

Not all do. ProCo stopped using the LM308 in any of their Rats (Vintage Rat, Rat II, Turbo Rat) at the same time, although some Duecetone Rats had one LM308 in them.

To update/edit: ProCo stopped using the LM308 in 2003.

[Puke+Cry]

anyways which rat for me

RAT2 or Turbo?

i want my bloody valentine ish, fuzzy noisy sound?

which one?

[Sauerkraut]

anyways which rat for me

RAT2 or Turbo?

i want my bloody valentine ish, fuzzy noisy sound?

which one?

Rats are terrible at fuzz if you ask me, I don't use it for that anyway, get yourself a fuzz pedal.

[eggwheat]

I wouldnt use a rat for the MBV tone..also the turbo rat..the original turbo has only one resistor different in the circuit compared to the original rat..

[Puke+Cry]

i have a muff but i dont think its up for the mbv tone, which pedal then?

[Tweez]

Boss HM-2 is pretty good, or if you want the same pedals as Kevin, 2 of the old style Marshall Guv'Nor pedals, but it's so difficult to get that tone you should give up on it .

[mynameisjonas]

what exactly does one mean with "MBV tone"?
it´s not like they had only one distinctive fuzz/dist/od sound... a rat could do some of the sounds, for others you need a big muff type fuzz, for others a fender blender, for others only an old tweed fender will do the trick. but ultimately, the key to kevin shields sound lies not in the amp or effects, it´s in his unique way of playing.

the original turbo has only one resistor different in the circuit compared to the original rat..

you are forgetting the most important thing though; the turbo uses red LEDs instead of silicon diodes. that´s what makes it louder and less fuzzy.

here´s what this site has to say about it:

Rat2 Same as Turbo Rat circuit below except 1N4148 diodes used instead of Red LEDs.
Turbo Rat According to ProCo, the switching circuit transistor is some for of FET. Output circuit correct, small uncertaintly if it's a FET or BJT.

[vapourtrail]

MBV live: the Marshall Guv'Nor pedals through cranked Marshall stacks.

MBV recorded: from all my reading, most of his dirts/fuzzes/whatevers come from different amps, different amp combos+, and broad range of mics, mic placements (multiples) and alot of eq'ing and compressing (though he says they didn't use compression on loveless... which all you have to do is look at the waveforms of the songs to see that that's a lie).

[Puke+Cry]

alright. im sick of lets say 'distortion' my big muff messes up my everything. i want something cleaner and brighter which i think a rat will do for (due to the filter knob) . not overdrive. think when you sleep and when you wake, that brighter fuzzy/crunchy sound.

[Tweez]

Boss HM-2 will get a similar sound, but you still won't get it.

[vapourtrail]

not overdrive. think when you sleep and when you wake, that brighter fuzzy/crunchy sound

you still talking about MBV tones, right? presumably off Loveless?

there really isn't a single pedal to get to the solution.

name a song or a few and i can probably tell you what might work.
some things KS did could be preceived as fuzz/distortion, when it's not really.
like To here Knows When. That's really just jazzmaster-reverse reverb-clean amp.
then he doubled the track and bounced one track out to a little transistor amp to make it sound a little more growl-ly.

reverse reverb by itself will start to get a bright, fuzzy, dreamlike quality to it when you go 100% wet.
which is one of the main secrets to Loveless...

[Tweez]

This is what I tried to say, it's gonna be near impossible to get a sound like it without Kevin Shields and Alan Moulder.