Which Rat....?????

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Re: Which Rat....?????

Post by fuzzjunkie » Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:31 am

elektrovac wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:08 am

Launching it at the Copenhagen Guitar Show this weekend. Ships from November 1st. It's called the 'Swiss Army Knife'. There's 33 pedals in the first batch:

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I missed this. Very cool.

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Re: Which Rat....?????

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:22 pm

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Anyone ever try a Rat with bass? I heard a Coldplay song from the first album the other day (Sparks maybe) and thought that Guy's bass sounded incredible. I looked it up and I think he used a Rat on the first album, but I've never tried a real Rat before, and not on bass either.
Back in the 90s I would say that a lot of “FurzBasz” was created with a Rat. Occasionally a Boss HM-2 or a Sovtek Big Muff, but yeah, mostly it was a Rat.
Interesting. I just picked up a Dwarfcraft Baby Thunder off of Blankfield, and as much as it's not going anywhere, I'd love to have a more subtle option for bass as well. Thanks dude!
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Re: Which Rat....?????

Post by fuzzjunkie » Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:10 am

Yeah, I know that Kim Gordon used one in Sonic Youth and Novoselic had one in Nirvana. The bassist for Tool is a well known Rat user. Lots of indie bands, if the bassist had a pedal, it was a Rat, and maybe a Boss Flanger.

They sound good live through a big amp, but recording with one you will loose some low end, so the best way around that is to split the signal so you can blend in some clean, undistorted bass.

I’ll include this video because I had two friends that ran this exact rig back then. Jazz bass, Rat, Ampeg SVT.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jTZExCysMIc

Marc set his as in the video at 2:25, I don’t remember how Kim set hers, but I think she dimed it

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Re: Which Rat....?????

Post by marqueemoon » Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:16 am

Yeah. Kim Gordon is the classic Rat bass sound.

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Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:09 pm

I'm tempted to look for one (or build a clone myself) with a clean blend for that reason exactly.

Fuzzjunkie, that rig (Jazz bass, RAT, SVT) is epic!!

This is probably some kind of sacrilege on OSG, but I've never listened to Sonic Youth :ph34r: Nothing against them or anything, just don't have any friends who do where I would've heard something from, and don't know any of their songs.
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Re: Which Rat....?????

Post by panoramic » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:30 am

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Re: Which Rat....?????

Post by kalipigeon » Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:00 pm

I know its blasphemy but I have a Biyang DS-8 Mouse pedal that is the identical circuit to the Rat. (I opened it up to verify chip, resistor values, and such.) These have a 3 way toggle for germanium/LED/none on the clipping already in the circuit.

For modding purposes, this would be the way to go --much better enclosure than the vintage plastic ones, smoother pots than the two real Rats I've owned and cost much less used on reverb.

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Re: Which Rat....?????

Post by s_mcsleazy » Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:59 pm

kalipigeon wrote:
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I know its blasphemy but I have a Biyang DS-8 Mouse pedal that is the identical circuit to the Rat. (I opened it up to verify chip, resistor values, and such.) These have a 3 way toggle for germanium/LED/none on the clipping already in the circuit.

For modding purposes, this would be the way to go --much better enclosure than the vintage plastic ones, smoother pots than the two real Rats I've owned and cost much less used on reverb.
the little bear rat clone is the same. however i find myself going back to my rat II over it.
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Re: Which Rat....?????

Post by marqueemoon » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:03 pm

I recorded a track of Rat and a dry track the last time I recorded bass. Not sure how much Rat ended up in the final mix, but if you have a Boss tuner that’s a super easy way to do a split for recording. I’ve tried this with more of a straight up fuzz too, but it was less effective as the two sounds didn’t blend very smoothly.

I’ll probably do a similar thing next time I track guitar so I can do a dry track straight to the interface for reamping or running through a different flavor amp sim to blend with the miced amp.

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Re: Which Rat....?????

Post by Pacafeliz » Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:13 am

s_mcsleazy wrote:
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honestly, a rat II with a lm308n is kinda the best rat you can do.
Been curious about RATs for a while now. Saw a local ad and picked it up unseen for €30.
According to the pots it's an early 1990 (year) flat box with the LM308N chip - DEAL!!! :w00t:
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Re: Which Rat....?????

Post by s_mcsleazy » Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:25 am

Pacafeliz wrote:
Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:13 am
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:32 am
honestly, a rat II with a lm308n is kinda the best rat you can do.
Been curious about RATs for a while now. Saw a local ad and picked it up unseen for €30.
According to the pots it's an early 1990 (year) flat box with the LM308N chip - DEAL!!! :w00t:
damn. sweet as deal. give it a go and tell me how you like it. if yer not into it, i'll give you 40 euro for it.
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Re: Which Rat....?????

Post by marqueemoon » Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:50 am

Score!

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Re: Which Rat....?????

Post by Domm » Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:56 am

There is always the 1981 inventions drv

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Re: Which Rat....?????

Post by Pacafeliz » Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:28 am

Oh gosh what took me this long to discover these?! :w00t: :-*
i love delay SO much ...that i procrastinate all the time.

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Re: Which Rat....?????

Post by Jaguar018 » Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:25 am

Pacafeliz wrote:
Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:28 am
Oh gosh what took me this long to discover these?! :w00t: :-*
You being the total gear slut over the years I'm a little surprised too. Seems like you would have picked one up in the wilds of Mexico.

There is a reason that people still play certain pedals and brands decades after they were first created, and Rats are in the pantheon of useful versatile pedals that can make just about any guitar/amp combo sound good (assuming you like its general vibe).

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