Stereo Effects Setup Problem

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Stereo Effects Setup Problem

Post by Groovy Tunes » Sun May 14, 2017 7:10 am

So I have multiple pedals that have stereo outputs. They way I am running them now - which is chaining the pedals like normal except plugging extra patch cables into the stereo inputs and outputs - only the last pedal in the chain is actually running stereo. I want for all four of my stereo effects to all work in stereo. How do I do this? Am I just not setting my pedals up correctly?

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Re: Stereo Effects Setup Problem

Post by Vanderfuzz » Sun May 14, 2017 7:35 am

This may be a dumb question, but are you using two amps?

If you're matching outs to ins, the final output should be stereo and should reflect the stereo output of the previous pedals. But you need two amps, or at least two inputs into a DAW.

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Re: Stereo Effects Setup Problem

Post by Groovy Tunes » Sun May 14, 2017 2:04 pm

[quote="Vanderfuzz"]This may be a dumb question, but are you using two amps?/quote]

YES.

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Re: Stereo Effects Setup Problem

Post by mackerelmint » Sun May 14, 2017 2:14 pm

It might help if we knew what pedals are being used.
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Re: Stereo Effects Setup Problem

Post by Groovy Tunes » Sun May 14, 2017 2:35 pm

Boss DD-7, TC Helix Phaser, Ernie Ball Volume/Panner, and a TC double tracking pedal

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Re: Stereo Effects Setup Problem

Post by mackerelmint » Sun May 14, 2017 7:12 pm

In that order?
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Re: Stereo Effects Setup Problem

Post by natthu » Sun May 14, 2017 11:13 pm

What makes you think that those pedals aren't running in stereo already?

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Re: Stereo Effects Setup Problem

Post by Groovy Tunes » Mon May 15, 2017 3:39 am

mackerelmint wrote:In that order?
All different orders (to try to make it work)
natthu wrote:What makes you think that those pedals aren't running in stereo already?
Well, only the past pedal in the chain will run in stereo. For example: when I put my DD-7 infront of my phaser, only the DD-7 runs in stereo; if I put my Phaser infront of my DD-7, only the phaser runs in stereo.

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Re: Stereo Effects Setup Problem

Post by InLimbo » Mon May 15, 2017 4:02 am

Make sure all of the pedals, by themselves, are running in stereo. Just do guitar > pedal > amp.

If those all work in stereo, try adding a second pedal in the chain. Guitar > pedal > pedal > amp.

Try that until you find the culprit. For some reason in the back of my head, I'm willing to bet it's the doubler.

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Re: Stereo Effects Setup Problem

Post by natthu » Mon May 15, 2017 4:30 am

Groovy Tunes wrote:when I put my DD-7 infront of my phaser, only the DD-7 runs in stereo; if I put my Phaser infront of my DD-7, only the phaser runs in stereo.
The DD-7 is stereo in/out. If the phaser has at the very least stereo outs then both pedals are running in stereo. The first stereo pedal will create a stereo signal, if all the following pedals are stereo in and out, then they are all operating in stereo.

I don't understand why you think only the last pedal is stereo....?

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Re: Stereo Effects Setup Problem

Post by InLimbo » Mon May 15, 2017 5:37 am

I think what he's saying is that if the DD7 is last in the chain, then he gets the stereo ping pong effect on the repeats. However, when he makes the phaser the last pedal in the chain, the DD7's repeats no longer ping pong.

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Re: Stereo Effects Setup Problem

Post by Groovy Tunes » Mon May 15, 2017 6:22 am

InLimbo wrote:I think what he's saying is that if the DD7 is last in the chain, then he gets the stereo ping pong effect on the repeats. However, when he makes the phaser the last pedal in the chain, the DD7's repeats no longer ping pong.
Exactly! Thank you.

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Re: Stereo Effects Setup Problem

Post by natthu » Mon May 15, 2017 7:31 am

Ah, I see!

Well that would mean that the Helix isn't running true stereo (or more accurately, you want a dual mono pedal).. Have you tried any of the TonePrint presets available? I'm not familiar with the Helix, but I have used a few TonePrint pedals... Maybe some of the presets will achieve what you want. Or try using the editor to make your own.

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