fender princeton reverb trem sound in a pedal?

[s_mcsleazy]

does this exist? if not, why not

[loudwizard]

There are a few trem pedals that do a faux-bias trem like the Princeton Reverb. Swamp Thing or the Basic Audio Throbby. Sound great, but tend to be too noisy for me.

Way more expensive, but Strymon Flint has a bias trem Thing, too. Probably much less noisy.

[Unicorn Warrior]

So there are differences in Fender amps? I thought deluxes/princetons/super reverbs were all one

[oid]

I always found the main trick to getting the Princeton's trem sound is to stick reverb before the trem and something with a little grit after the trem, just enough grit to dirty the peaks. There are pedals that implement the bias vary with JFETs, oscillator and all, they would likely get you close, but my brain is failing me on the name of any of them at the moment.

I wish more amps had the trem after the reverb.

[thisisnickpaige]

I always found the main trick to getting the Princeton's trem sound is to stick reverb before the trem and something with a little grit after the trem, I wish more amps had the trem after the reverb.

Yup! That’s the major trick, according to Strymon, is the reverb into trem.

Definitely a vote for the Flint, here.

The Flint nails the 60’s Fender amp reverb into tremolo. It will never truly get the hardcore drip of a reverb tank, but to my ears, it nails my Vibrochamp’s or even Twin Reverb’s sound. And you can freely choose the order of reverb and tremolo with the Flint.

If you care for the technical bit, according to Strymon,
“ The ’63 Power Tube Tremolo utilized the LFO signal to directly influence the power tube bias of the amplifier’s push-pull output stage. The power tubes are biased into lower and higher idle currents, creating the fluctuating gain that produces the tremolo effect. The effects of crossover distortion at low tremolo volumes, increased power tube harmonic distortion at maximum tremolo volumes, as well as the influence of power-supply sag, all add up to the boggy and dirty nature of this tremolo circuit. “

So there are differences in Fender amps? I thought deluxes/princetons/super reverbs were all one

Nah, definitely not. Depends on the era, as far as I understand. Because the later you get into the 60s/70s with Fender you get the photocell style trem, which is that hard square wave style trem you hear on, “ How Soon Is Now “.

[cestlamort]

I'd try a Flint. It sounded so much like a princeton (or even super) that I didn't keep it.

[thisisnickpaige]

I'd try a Flint. It sounded so much like a princeton (or even super) that I didn't keep it.

Sincerely? Haha

[j mascis]

I have a '62 Brown Princeton, which is known for the best tremolo ever, and the Strymon Flint comes really close. It's reverb also sounds a lot like a fender reverb tank.

[cestlamort]

I'd try a Flint. It sounded so much like a princeton (or even super) that I didn't keep it.

Sincerely? Haha

Some hyperbole, but, yeah. Played it: Oh, this sounds a lot like my amps. (Why do I need this, then?)

(It does more, of course)

[thisisnickpaige]

Figured I detected a hint of humour there. But that legitimately makes sense.

[tele_pathic]

Whoever said the tremolos in the Princeton Reverb is the same as the DR and the TR? No...NOPE....not even.....

The Princeton Reverb is a BIAS-tremolo, not a hard on-off style trem.

The DR and Twin is a OPTICAL-tremolo, a hard on-off, square-wave trem.

The Fultone Supa-Trem nails both hard and soft trem sounds.

[somanytoys]

I love the SupaTrem, it's really nice. So nice I bought 2. I'm not the biggest tremolo guy, but this thing could do all I wanted it to do - soft, hard or wobble tremolo, true stereo pan option (which I love), tap tempo and speed knob, and holding the tap tempo doubles the speed or brings it back down to the original speed. It should do everything I would need and probably more.

Interestingly, Keeley just dropped a couple of versions of a new pedal that sounds like it might fit this description - the Verb o'Trem (regular pedal and a big workstation version). It says that he worked on with Eddie Heinzelman from Nashville. I have no idea who he is, but he must be somebody of note (there at least), and being a "Nashville guitarist", I'd tend to think that these are probably based on or are pretty similar to old Fender styles.

[DeathJag]

Whoever said the tremolos in the Princeton Reverb is the same as the DR and the TR? No...NOPE....not even.....

The Princeton Reverb is a BIAS-tremolo, not a hard on-off style trem.

The DR and Twin is a OPTICAL-tremolo, a hard on-off, square-wave trem.

The Fultone Supa-Trem nails both hard and soft trem sounds.

I am dying, just dying to witness the harmonic tremolo of the browns. Are you saying that 2 2/3 preamp tube-using brown harmonic tremolo is also called bias tremolo?