Quilter making me QUIT T00BZ??

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Re: Quilter making me QUIT T00BZ??

Post by panoramic » Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:48 am

peterherman wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:45 pm
mackerelmint wrote:
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Solid state is where it's at. I quit tubes years ago but for one small combo amp that I love.

Cheap, clean, and reliable wins in my book.
Yeah I'm getting way more into an amp that just works instead of an amp that is cool. Normcore for amps
fuckina right. I'm likely to keep one bandmaster or a musicman 65 head and move onto a roland jc and a quilter head or something at this point. I am so tired of shit going up in tube amps.
right now i have 3 amps on the fritz, seriously it's a fucking shitshow. I only own two GOOD guitars otherwise i have a squier i use for alt tunings and a bass.
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Re: Quilter making me QUIT T00BZ??

Post by somanytoys » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:58 am

I’m sure I’ve said all of this before in another thread or 2, but the maintenance and cost of tubes aside, there is something to both sides on this. At least for me, everyone’s different.

I have had quite a few totally solid state guitar amps, and only have 2 now, an old, small Traynor and a THR-10 C. The ones I got rid of definitely weren’t the best of what’s available, but I have found that I do tend to prefer the tube sound for guitar. If I can get that sound from a pedal and/or a ss preamp, I’m all for it. I just haven’t yet, and I definitely have my fair share of pedals. I still really need to explore more, so that may be my fault, but I like the tube amps that I have, at least at this moment.

I have a setup ready to try feeding some pedals into a preamp pedal like Mac does, and then into the Iconoclast speaker emulator, and listen with headphones or push it through the PA (I don’t have any low wattage ss power amps that won’t blow guitar speakers). It’s ready to go, I just haven’t fired it up yet because other things right now, but I might find some really good sounds that way. I want it to work.

If you get the sounds that you like with solid state equipment, there’s no real reason to bother with tube amps, other than maybe you like that, too. Variety is fun.

For bass, I have quite a few solid state amps, a few with a tube section in the preamp, but with ss power sections. Many are ss all the way, and I have 3 (standalone) ss power amps to move the larger speakers. I actually don’t have any tube power sections, and never have, because I can get the sounds I want with ss, because of their design (like the Traynor TS amps) or their hybrid nature (like the SWR). Then there are pedals like the T-21 VT-DI that can pretty much bring you to tubey SVT or flip top tones and beyond. To me, it’s no different than going from a tube amp into a PA or FoH system - once the sound is there, it doesn’t matter what amplifies that sound, and sometimes the cleaner the better.

Tube amps are fucking heavy though, and I’m not getting any younger or stronger.

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Re: Quilter making me QUIT T00BZ??

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:17 am

I've only got 2 amps, both are non-vintage and tube, and I love them both, but I've been VERY tempted to look into a solid state amp, especially something like one of the Quilters. I've heard a few players say that they love both tube and solid state, but that they have a hard time finding the feel of tube amps that they like using a solid state amp. I've often wondered what it would be like to have a good preamp pedal RIGHT before the solid state amp. Like, a Hudson Broadcast going into a Quilter (after delays, reverbs, etc.). And then I find videos like this that make me question everything:
That Pedal Show – Kingsley Valve Pedals With Simon Jarrett
That Pedal Show – Using Drive & Preamp Pedals In Your Amp FX Loop
Pickup Switching Mad Scientist
http://www.offsetguitars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=104282&p=1438384#p1438384

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Re: Quilter making me QUIT T00BZ??

Post by Jaguar018 » Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:17 am

I have been looking at Quilters a bit myself. I have one of those Line6 Amplify things and it sound fine.

But... tube amp maintenance? :mellow: I have a Princeton and a Deluxe Reverb clone thing. I never really do anything with them and they sound fine? If you are Mr/Mrs Touring Musician I can see that being a bigger thing, but let's be honest here: if they are mainly chilling in your practice room they aren't going to get too worn out.

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Re: Quilter making me QUIT T00BZ??

Post by Tafarel » Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:45 am

After many years of shunning solid-state amps, I recently bought a Boss Katana 50 amp to simplify the recording process. My band shares files of song ideas and everyone works on them from home. The number of effects available with this amp has made it indispensable to me. I don't have to haul my pedalboard upstairs if an idea occurs to me whilst working.

I have also opened it up when the family is not home -- a rare occurrence because of the pandemic -- and played the amp at band practice level. It sounds very good; full and natural (whatever that is these days). I will probably continue to use my Supro Thunderbolt for live gigs, if that is ever a thing again, but I've no doubt the Katana 50 would more than hold its own in that environment.
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Re: Quilter making me QUIT T00BZ??

Post by peterherman » Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:27 am

Jaguar018 wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:17 am
I have been looking at Quilters a bit myself. I have one of those Line6 Amplify things and it sound fine.

But... tube amp maintenance? :mellow: I have a Princeton and a Deluxe Reverb clone thing. I never really do anything with them and they sound fine? If you are Mr/Mrs Touring Musician I can see that being a bigger thing, but let's be honest here: if they are mainly chilling in your practice room they aren't going to get too worn out.
Yeah, I don't think I'm going to do anything about the AC10 other than not play it much. Even when I WAS touring, I never had big maintenance issues, though I attribute that mostly to luck.

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Re: Quilter making me QUIT T00BZ??

Post by SAVEStheDAY » Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:40 am

Solid state sounds ok, but it's not the same. It's not inherently better or worse, just different. To my ears there's something about tube amps that I like more. I don't even like putting pedals in the signal chain (I do find it funny when tube purists talk about their giant pedal boards).

I've toured using a tube amp (And no backup) without any real issues, but I've had to fix minor things and replace tubes over the years. I've also owned and enjoyed solid state amps that developed issues. They were usually cheaper to buy, and harder to fix, so I guess they're more disposable that way.

Lots of big acts are using profilers and modelers for live shows these days, but most tend to stick to tubes in the studio. That's probably a good thing, because as long as the debate rages it means more and better options for guitarists, and it will continue to make innovators on both sides improve their products.

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Re: Quilter making me QUIT T00BZ??

Post by s_mcsleazy » Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:42 am

i have 3 amps at my disposal right now. 2 are tube amps and 1 is a solidstate amp and when it comes to just grabbing something for a quick gig/practice, i go for the solid state amp because it's lighter.
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