Two speakers cabinet with two outputs: A recording headache or dream?

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Two speakers cabinet with two outputs: A recording headache or dream?

Post by thisisnickpaige » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:05 am

In my hunt for a good 2x12 combo i had this idea of getting a 2x12 cabinet, with two individually outputs, one for each speaker. The idea is to have two differently voiced speakers while taking up less space. When i go to record i would just be using one speaker or the other, depending on the voice i wanted. I could have something like a Creamback for chuggery rhythm stuff, but then more often switch to a Private Jack, or something like an Alnico blue for the more brighter open stuff.

Would this cause weird vibrations or deadening from the none vibrating mass? Am i better of just getting another cab for this idea?
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Re: Two speakers cabinet with two outputs: A recording headache or dream?

Post by redchapterjubilee » Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:54 am

It's common for folks to use different types of speakers in multi-speaker cabs. I makes sure I have multi-jacks installed on my cabinets so I can run them in a variety of ways. I have a 2x12 that has a Wizard and a Cannabis Rex with individual inputs to the speakers so I could run in stereo with that cabinet. But sometimes I do what you are talking about, just plugging into one speaker instead of both. I have a 4x10 I record with the most and often just plug into half the cabinet since I'm only mic'ing one speaker.

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Re: Two speakers cabinet with two outputs: A recording headache or dream?

Post by thisisnickpaige » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:58 am

Oh that's really cool, so like a split amp cable from your amp to two different inputs (would that be parallel wiring, i guess?) Could you give an example of a wiring diagram for the 2x12 set up? What do you mean by multijack?

EDIT: how do you manage all of that with impedance matching?
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Re: Two speakers cabinet with two outputs: A recording headache or dream?

Post by redchapterjubilee » Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:02 pm

I have three cabinets: a 2x10, a 2x12, and 4x10. They have Plug ‘n Play jack plates. See the link below.

https://www.tubesandmore.com/products/j ... monostereo

4/16 ohm mono and two 8 ohm for stereo. One of the mono jacks is for serial, one is for parallel. For this to work the two-speaker cabinets have to have 8 ohm speakers installed. The 4x10 has 16 ohm speakers but it would also wire like this with 4ohm speakers.

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Re: Two speakers cabinet with two outputs: A recording headache or dream?

Post by øøøøøøø » Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:47 pm

It's not unheard of to mix and match different drivers in a cab for different sounds.

Honestly, I wouldn't bother trying to switch them. Just mic up whichever speaker you want at the moment

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Re: Two speakers cabinet with two outputs: A recording headache or dream?

Post by Larsongs » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:06 pm

Not uncommon.. Just about anything you can think of somebody has tried before...

I like that concept a lot. I also like to record Guitars Stereo from 2 like or different Speakers & or Amps. I agree about Mic'ing. . I record that way all the time... You can achieve some really great Sounds & Tones.

Don't be afraid to experiment...

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Re: Two speakers cabinet with two outputs: A recording headache or dream?

Post by thisisnickpaige » Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:38 am

øøøøøøø wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:47 pm
It's not unheard of to mix and match different drivers in a cab for different sounds.

Honestly, I wouldn't bother trying to switch them. Just mic up whichever speaker you want at the moment
And micing only one speakers wouldn't create crazy bleed from the other? I guess depends on the mic and a lot of other factors too.
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Re: Two speakers cabinet with two outputs: A recording headache or dream?

Post by marqueemoon » Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:38 am

thisisnickpaige wrote:
Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:38 am
øøøøøøø wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:47 pm
It's not unheard of to mix and match different drivers in a cab for different sounds.

Honestly, I wouldn't bother trying to switch them. Just mic up whichever speaker you want at the moment
And micing only one speakers wouldn't create crazy bleed from the other? I guess depends on the mic and a lot of other factors too.
If you use directional mics it’s really not an issue, especially if you’re going to use either one mic or the other in a mix.

If you’re using both you’ll want to check them in mono to make sure you’re not getting unflattering phase cancellation going on.

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Re: Two speakers cabinet with two outputs: A recording headache or dream?

Post by thisisnickpaige » Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:02 am

marqueemoon wrote:
Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:38 am
If you use directional mics it’s really not an issue, especially if you’re going to use either one mic or the other in a mix.

If you’re using both you’ll want to check them in mono to make sure you’re not getting unflattering phase cancellation going on.
Oh i never even thought about micing both speakers at once. :fp: Thanks for that! For me it was either both or one, but micing both allows for way more options when it comes to mixing time.
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Re: Two speakers cabinet with two outputs: A recording headache or dream?

Post by øøøøøøø » Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:20 pm

It kind of depends on whether you're "mic'ing the speaker" or "mic'ing the cab in the room."

If you're using a cardioid or hypercardioid mic like a 421, 57, 409, m160 etc., and it's placed right up on the grille... the impact of the non-mic'd speaker will be slight indeed (I'd try never to say "non-existent" with something like this). In any case, I wouldn't worry about the influence of the second speaker.

If you often like to mic the cab from >1 foot back (I do!), then yes, you'll get some sound from both speakers into a cardioid or hypercardioid mic. But until you get quite far back (~3 feet?), you'd still be able to shape the sound noticeably depending on which speaker the mic was addressing.

As alluded to, you could always try mic'ing each speaker and blending to taste, but... my money is that you'll try that, it will seem really cool at first, and then once the "wow cool" wears off you'll realize that you get a better result with a simpler approach of putting one mic (or maybe two, in specific instances) in the right spot, where it sounds like what you're hoping to capture.

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Re: Two speakers cabinet with two outputs: A recording headache or dream?

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:31 am

That jack plate is really cool!! I do like the idea of just being clever with mic'ing though ;D
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Re: Two speakers cabinet with two outputs: A recording headache or dream?

Post by eggwheat » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:29 am

I have an EVM 10M and a Ceramic 70's Fender CTS in my Fender '68 Custom Vibrolux...1: I like the blend. 2: More choice of tones when recording.

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Re: Two speakers cabinet with two outputs: A recording headache or dream?

Post by Larsongs » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:24 am

Mic'ing Amps & Cabs is an Art in itself. The possibilities are infinite.

1,2,3,4 or more Mic's. Different placements, different Mic's. Front & or Back, Another in the Room, maybe more than one? Amps or Cabs isolated or in the Room? It's endless... Whatever you can imagine... Until you get the Sound...

Sometimes less is more, but, sometimes more is more....

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Re: Two speakers cabinet with two outputs: A recording headache or dream?

Post by øøøøøøø » Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:28 pm

In most things, the options are literally infinite. The skill and art is knowing which option to select for a given moment. Focus and clarity-of-approach (whether playing an instrument, or recording one) is what I'm after.

In other words--if I'm going to do something complicated, there will be a clear artistic reason for doing so.

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Re: Two speakers cabinet with two outputs: A recording headache or dream?

Post by thisisnickpaige » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:57 pm

øøøøøøø wrote:
Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:20 pm
As alluded to, you could always try mic'ing each speaker and blending to taste, but... my money is that you'll try that, it will seem really cool at first, and then once the "wow cool" wears off you'll realize that you get a better result with a simpler approach of putting one mic (or maybe two, in specific instances) in the right spot, where it sounds like what you're hoping to capture.
Yeah, that was my feeling too, so i'm glad you said.
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:28 pm
In most things, the options are literally infinite. The skill and art is knowing which option to select for a given moment. Focus and clarity-of-approach (whether playing an instrument, or recording one) is what I'm after.

Have I, and will I, set up multiple amps and multiple microphones at times? Yes, but only for a purpose, and only with purpose. Generally, complex setups are not called for, and do not best serve the music I find myself working on.

In other words--if I'm going to do something complicated, there will be a clear artistic reason for doing so.
So brilliant and eloquently put. The opposite has been a struggle of mine; it's definitely an overarching theme for this season in my life: Focus and exercising a clarity of approach. What am i trying to achieve and how do i get there? Okay, now do it, and receive the proper results. Thanks Brad, words to live by.
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