Fender 68 Reissue Amplifiers Stock Speakers = Bad

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Re: Fender 68 Reissue Amplifiers Stock Speakers = Bad

Post by Arthon » Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:01 am

andy wrote:The neomag is about ten pounds heavier than the jensen. Still, they are lighter than the original JBLs.
Cool to know. Are they louder?
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Re: Fender 68 Reissue Amplifiers Stock Speakers = Bad

Post by andy » Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:33 am

I can't say. I've only lifted fenders with JBLs hahaha
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Re: Fender 68 Reissue Amplifiers Stock Speakers = Bad

Post by MechaBulletBill » Sat Aug 27, 2016 12:26 pm

Arthon wrote:I had the same problem with my new 68 Vibrolux Reverb (1 month old). The speakers didn't sound very good in the vintage channel. The Custom channel was great with my JM, but the breakup happened too soon.

I changed the speakers for Eminence (1 Ragin Cajun and 1 Cooperhead). The Ragin Cajun sound very good in my Princeton Reverb. Now, the vintage channel sound very good, but the Custom Channel seems too muddy. Maybe the Custom Channel is more suit to british style speakers...
The 68 Customs seem really odd to me. Like, they've revoiced the 65RI amps and kept trem/reverb, and paired them with a quality and suitable celestion... but the vintage-voiced channel ends up being less useful because of the tonal mismatch with the speaker, despite being the cleaner channel. THEN the big F comes out with the Bassbreakers, a line of british voiced amps (afaik).

It's like, leave the "vintage voicing" to the 65ris and release a range of brit/US hybrid amps with trem/verb/greenbacks separately for a lot less cash (thanks to the savings of not having a "vintage" channel), instead of these bassbreakers.
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Re: Fender 68 Reissue Amplifiers Stock Speakers = Bad

Post by OffYourFace » Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:28 pm

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Thanks...yeh the sound of the original speakers in the '79 is what I would go for...do you think they were alnico or ceramic in a '79? Because the price difference is huge..I'm sure they were round magnets without the square bit on the back. I actually have a pair of EVM 10M's here but it would probably make the amp insanely heavy..

Still till I find a problem I'll stick with stock.

Probably CTS Ceramics. Like this one: http://www.maindragmusic.com/1979-fende ... everb.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Keep your eye on this guy's store: http://stores.ebay.com/Dustys-Speaker-Reconing" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I like reconed vintage speakers. They still sound better than new speakers IMO.
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Re: Fender 68 Reissue Amplifiers Stock Speakers = Bad

Post by matbard » Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:19 pm

In my '68 Custom Twin Reverb, I put a couple of Jensen Blackbird 12". They sound simply terrific, but one speaker costs almost as a good practice amp...

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Re: Fender 68 Reissue Amplifiers Stock Speakers = Bad

Post by StevenO » Sun Aug 28, 2016 4:43 pm

I don't know why, but so many amp companies seem to consider speakers to be an afterthought. Almost like a guitar company treating pickups like an afterthought. It just doesn't make sense to me.

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Re: Fender 68 Reissue Amplifiers Stock Speakers = Bad

Post by MechaBulletBill » Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:22 am

StevenO wrote:I don't know why, but so many amp companies seem to consider speakers to be an afterthought. Almost like a guitar company treating pickups like an afterthought. It just doesn't make sense to me.
I don't think it's fair to say that putting greenbacks in the 68customs was an afterthought, because they do pair nicely with the custom channel. Just not the vintage one.

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Re: Fender 68 Reissue Amplifiers Stock Speakers = Bad

Post by andy_tchp » Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:29 am

??? None of those amps come with Greenbacks? The 'Ten 30' that comes in the Princeton and Vibrolux is one of the cheapest (if not the cheapest) speakers Celestion have on the market.

The Princeton Reverb and Deluxe Reverb I tried from this line ('68 Custom') sounded pretty ordinary, and both rattled like the dashboard of an old car when played at anything above bedroom volumes.

I auditioned them at length, side by side with their '65 Reissue' counterparts in the same room with the same guitar/pedals; the difference was night and day.


The whole process steered me towards a local amp builder offering wonderful Blackface reproductions for only a little more than these reissues, including decent speaker (Weber 10F150T) and tubes :D
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Re: Fender 68 Reissue Amplifiers Stock Speakers = Bad

Post by MechaBulletBill » Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:37 am

:fp: :fp:
Sorry. I just meant Celestions, not greenbacks.

These 68C amps are a really good idea executed a bit poorly. They try to strike a balance between the 65s and something a bit different but I think they're fussy and over designed in some ways, and stick too closely to tradition in other ways.

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Re: Fender 68 Reissue Amplifiers Stock Speakers = Bad

Post by eggwheat » Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:38 am

To be fair the Ten 30 is very similar to the G10 greenback.

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Re: Fender 68 Reissue Amplifiers Stock Speakers = Bad

Post by MechaBulletBill » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:28 am

eggwheat wrote:To be fair the Ten 30 is very similar to the G10 greenback.
That's why I've got mixed up. When I've discussed these amps before, it's got a speaker "like a greenback". :fp: Nevermind, just your standard eejit over here.

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Re: Fender 68 Reissue Amplifiers Stock Speakers = Bad

Post by Arthon » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:14 pm

MechaBulletBill wrote:The 68 Customs seem really odd to me. Like, they've revoiced the 65RI amps and kept trem/reverb, and paired them with a quality and suitable celestion... but the vintage-voiced channel ends up being less useful because of the tonal mismatch with the speaker, despite being the cleaner channel.
Yeah, that's what I came to think. I would be hard to have a speaker that is equally good with the vintage and the custom channel. The Custom seems more suit to british speaker; and the Vintage more suit to fendery speaker.
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Re: Fender 68 Reissue Amplifiers Stock Speakers = Bad

Post by StevenO » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:36 pm

MechaBulletBill wrote:
StevenO wrote:I don't know why, but so many amp companies seem to consider speakers to be an afterthought. Almost like a guitar company treating pickups like an afterthought. It just doesn't make sense to me.
I don't think it's fair to say that putting greenbacks in the 68customs was an afterthought, because they do pair nicely with the custom channel. Just not the vintage one.
I was just meaning in general. Though I'm not personally a fan of Celestion speakers in Fender amps, I actually don't mind these amps and how they sound. I like them better than the '65 RI. I'd probably end up changing out the speaker regardless, though. The Weber speakers just destroy for Blackface sound.

Also I think they are based on Greenbacks, but not exactly the same. Not that it means much either way.

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Re: Fender 68 Reissue Amplifiers Stock Speakers = Bad

Post by JCH519 » Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:44 pm

I'm not a fan of Celestion speakers in general either other than the Gold & Blue. In my opinion those speakers seem to make the amp sound exactly like it should sound. A friend of mine has an AC30 with Celestion Blues and it sounds very very good. I had played AC30s before and thought they sounded a bit dark/sterile, but the one with Blues sounded so alive to me and it just had its stock tubes.

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Re: Fender 68 Reissue Amplifiers Stock Speakers = Bad

Post by Arthon » Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:52 am

JCH519 wrote:I'm not a fan of Celestion speakers in general either other than the Gold & Blue. In my opinion those speakers seem to make the amp sound exactly like it should sound. A friend of mine has an AC30 with Celestion Blues and it sounds very very good. I had played AC30s before and thought they sounded a bit dark/sterile, but the one with Blues sounded so alive to me and it just had its stock tubes.
Well, I have a PRRI '65 with a Celestion greenback and I love it! It's darker then a normal PRRI, but for home clean playing, it's really good. It's not what I would use if I wanted to play my PRRI in a band and cut throught the mix.

Again, greenbacks are not where I want to go with my Vibrolux Reverb '68. I want a cleaner and clearer sound.

Where do you live in Ontario, I am very curious about those golds in the Vibrolux...
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